DengFatimah Bolhassan Jangan lupa kalau datang sini nanti berjumpa dengan gamelan team kat sini. mereka aktif sungguh dalam gamelan and its an every year event performed at the Uni. just for a comparison. tapi rasanya research yang akan Zul buat ni lebih mendalam terus dengan tarian sekali.July 7 at 10:42pm · · 
Zubin Mohamad we must get in touch with U Michigan the music person and also to connect with William Malm, thxJuly 7 at 10:43pm · · - Zubin Mohamad actually I have not done anything on gamelan melayu, not even the tarian, baru nak belajar menari gamelan melayuJuly 7 at 10:44pm · ·
- DengFatimah Bolhassan very true. I am sure they would be very helpful in giving you info:)July 7 at 10:44pm · ·
- DengFatimah Bolhassan that would be an interesting.I would love to see it.July 7 at 10:45pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad Deng dear, this is just a paper may be. I only started as idea and internet search for my own blog then I tot may be it could be a paperJuly 7 at 10:46pm · ·
- DengFatimah Bolhassan heheh, I'm already seeing the big picture:)July 7 at 10:49pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad by the way, I am also working on Mak Yong book and thinking of publishing it with U Michigan, we have to talk about it!July 7 at 10:51pm · ·
- DengFatimah Bolhassan That awesome!:) I am so excited for you!:)July 7 at 10:58pm · ·
Helly Minarti interesting, though it evokes many questions. your last notion, for instance: in what way? obviously, bedhoyo and serimpi were not created within the anti-colonial framework. have fun at further investigating those questions!July 7 at 11:04pm · · 
Amron-Paul Yuwono Wooo hoooJuly 7 at 11:31pm · · 
Kamal Sabran good research zubin! tak sabaq nak tau ni :)July 8 at 8:45am · · 
Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais Interesting ! Why not !July 8 at 8:47am · · 
Nor Faridah Abdul Manaf Bugis atau Rawa, Zul? The Rawa royalties were dominant in Pahang.Mana datang Bugisnya?July 8 at 8:52am · · - Zubin Mohamad they are known as Bugis, I am not sure the Rawa. Where is Rawa from?July 8 at 12:53pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad Helly, I said Bedhoyo and Serimpi were also created during the colonial period!July 8 at 12:54pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad http://marisma.multiply.co
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Walaupun terdapat perbezaan yang spesifik di antara kumpulan sub-etnik Melayu ini, mereka menunjukkan hubungan yang rapat di antara satu sama lain dan juga kepada populasi lain di Asia. Melayu Banjar, Bugis dan ...See MoreJuly 8 at 1:03pm · · - Zubin Mohamad http://serimau.blogspot.co
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Sejarah orang Melayu Rao@Rawa bermula di Kecamatan (Daerah Kecil) Rao Mapat Tunggul, di dalam Kabupaten (Daerah) Pasaman, Propinsi (Negeri) Sumatera Barat, Indonesia. Duduk di sebelah utaranya pula, bermastautin...See MoreJuly 8 at 1:18pm · · 
Ruzy Hashim Interesting paper.July 8 at 2:34pm · · - Nor Faridah Abdul Manaf thks for notes on Rawa.Yang I suka 2 putra tu sudah so global..sorang ke China, sorang ke Rom.
But need to know about Bugis in Pahang ni.Mana datangnya.Yang kita tau Bugis ramai di Johor.Najib claims he's a Bugis.I rasa dia Rawa. :))July 8 at 3:08pm · · - Helly Minarti well, I must have misunderstood your Melayu! (the last sentence) or it is because I did not read the paper in whole? (only on this page, there is no link to the rest). But playing a devil advocate (hiha, if you don't mind): we can not be su...See MoreJuly 8 at 4:26pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad Ruzy, not yet a paper, just some idea.July 8 at 4:36pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad Darling Faridah, you ni tak baca sejarah Melayu ke? Raja Pahang, Selangor dan Johor semuanya Bugis. Rawa tu datang kemudian!July 8 at 4:37pm · ·
Suhaimi Sulaiman im quite interested in gamelan trg.very soothing.July 8 at 4:37pm · · - Zubin Mohamad Don't care about Najib and his claim that he keturunan raja bugisJuly 8 at 4:38pm · ·
- Helly Minarti yes, ideas - somewhere to start! have fun: trudging and treading on the historical path........July 8 at 4:38pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad Helly, Bedhaya -Serimpi is definately created earlier than 1800s, read about it before, somewhere, should check with Mas Adji. Darlink to know your Javanese work you have to read Javanese, nor Raffles! You can start with Raffles but go beyond that if you you looking from post-colonial perspectiveJuly 8 at 4:41pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad Che Mie, Trengganu gamelan has interesting history, especially the dance theatre works, mostly dah hilang. I like the gamelan work with singing, also mostly dah hilang, they have abandoned many important works, I hope kumpulan Suktra could be revived! Wonder what Yayasan Nur Zahirah is doing? Perhaps not on gamelan!July 8 at 4:45pm · ·
- Helly Minarti well, like you i have to start somewhere :-) I came across quotes on Serat Wedhataya by Mangkunegara VII quoted by Western scholars here and there. Yes, looking further (if anything survives!!). archive is the Third World problem, and Indon...See MoreJuly 8 at 4:49pm · ·
- Helly Minarti ps. (promise, the last entry). ugh, MaS Adji (not Mad). typo typo - maaf banget!!!! (how do you say it in Javanese? pangapunten?)July 8 at 5:01pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad in javanese hehehehe. Mas Adji once told me to learn Javanese, the key to the Javanese culture, but I am not young anymore. So for now I could just go back and learn Jawi script, where I used to read properly. Malau dengan Dr.Gallop di SEA ...See MoreJuly 8 at 5:11pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad another place would be Paris and Germany!July 8 at 5:12pm · ·
- Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais I'm afraid I am only sure about what I don't know in Serimpi and Bedhoyo matters which are mentioned in old malay litterature as "surimpi" and "bidaya"July 8 at 11:51pm · ·
- Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais About Rawa pronounced in minang malay as Rao one should also read "Tuanku Rao" by Parlindungan Siregar ! Controversial but exciting !July 8 at 11:54pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad wow mas adji, where can I find that malay literature surimpi and bidaya? wow where to get that book "Tuanku Rao"?July 12 at 9:26pm · ·
- Zubin Mohamad thanks so much, mas adji always have something hidden to show usJuly 12 at 9:26pm · ·
- Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais "Tuanku Rao" adalah buku terbitan tahun 70an dan pernah dilarang di Indonesia ! Pasti perpustakaan yang besar di Malaysia punya buku ini !
July 12 at 11:40pm · · - Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais Buku Hikayat Hang Tuah dan Sejarah Melayu pasti sudah di "digitalised" di Malaysia . Jadi carilah kata "surimpi" dan "bidaya" dalam terbitan "digital" kedua karya tersebut !July 12 at 11:43pm · ·
- Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais Yang pertama menyebut masalah ini adalah Overbeck dalam majalah "Djawa" dalam tulisan berjudul " Java in Maleische litteratuur" Maaf dalam bahasa belanda ! Jadi disamping bahasa jawa juga harus belajar bahasa belanda ! Selamat meneliti !July 12 at 11:50pm · ·
Ahmad Suryavarman Khi abg Zubin yang saya tahu Gamelan Jawa yang dibawa ke Istana Pahang awal abad 20, di Johor ramai kumpulan Gamelan dan mereka tetap cakap sebagai Gamelan Jawa.
Gamelan Jawa juga sudah diperkenal di amerika tahun 1893 pada acara
"World's Columb...See MoreJuly 22 at 10:45pm · · - Ahmad Suryavarman Khi Pebruari 2009 Prof. Dr. Rahayu Supanggah Rektor ISI Solo memberikan pelatihan Gamelan di Akademi Seni dan Warisan Malaysia (ASWARA),
so aneh bukan jika cakap sebagai gamelan Melayu yang kini masih ramai import dari Solo???July 22 at 11:16pm · · - Ahmad Suryavarman Khi Abg Zubin : Awal abad 17 pada masa Sultan AgungHanyokrowati Raja Besar Matarampon sudah berkreasi Tarian Bedhaya: malah gending pengiring tarian Sakral ini dipercaya diciptakan oleh Sultan Agung:
tahun 1977 Gending Jawa Puspawarna salah sat...See MoreJuly 22 at 11:34pm · · - Zubin Mohamad Di Malaysia ada perpustakaan yang besar, yang dindingnya bermotif songket dibuat dari jubin toilet, di dalamnya kurang pasti Hang Tuah Digital, tapi baru2 ini, mereka membuat pameran tulisan tangan hikayat hang tuah yang bakal mendapat pengiktirafan dari UNESCO untuk karya agung dunia.15 minutes ago · ·
- Zubin Mohamad Mas Ahmad, saya yang pertama mengusahakan membawa Pak Rahayu Supanggah ke Malaysia pada tahun 2003, asalnya untuk menjadi komposer kepada proposal saya "Festival Gong" di Istana Budaya, dan saya sebagai artistik direktor, tetapi apabila pro...See More3 minutes ago · ·
DengFatimah Bolhassan Jangan lupa kalau datang sini nanti berjumpa dengan gamelan team kat sini. mereka aktif sungguh dalam gamelan and its an every year event performed at the Uni. just for a comparison. tapi rasanya research yang akan Zul buat ni lebih mendalam terus dengan tarian sekali.
July 7 at 10:42pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad we must get in touch with U Michigan the music person and also to connect with William Malm, thx
July 7 at 10:43pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad actually I have not done anything on gamelan melayu, not even the tarian, baru nak belajar menari gamelan melayu
July 7 at 10:44pm · ·
DengFatimah Bolhassan very true. I am sure they would be very helpful in giving you info:)
July 7 at 10:44pm · ·
DengFatimah Bolhassan that would be an interesting.I would love to see it.
July 7 at 10:45pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad Deng dear, this is just a paper may be. I only started as idea and internet search for my own blog then I tot may be it could be a paper
July 7 at 10:46pm · ·
DengFatimah Bolhassan heheh, I'm already seeing the big picture:)
July 7 at 10:49pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad by the way, I am also working on Mak Yong book and thinking of publishing it with U Michigan, we have to talk about it!
July 7 at 10:51pm · ·
DengFatimah Bolhassan That awesome!:) I am so excited for you!:)
July 7 at 10:58pm · ·
Helly Minarti interesting, though it evokes many questions. your last notion, for instance: in what way? obviously, bedhoyo and serimpi were not created within the anti-colonial framework. have fun at further investigating those questions!
July 7 at 11:04pm · ·
Amron-Paul Yuwono Wooo hooo
July 7 at 11:31pm · ·
Kamal Sabran good research zubin! tak sabaq nak tau ni :)
July 8 at 8:45am · ·
Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais Interesting ! Why not !
July 8 at 8:47am · ·
Nor Faridah Abdul Manaf Bugis atau Rawa, Zul? The Rawa royalties were dominant in Pahang.Mana datang Bugisnya?
July 8 at 8:52am · ·
Zubin Mohamad they are known as Bugis, I am not sure the Rawa. Where is Rawa from?
July 8 at 12:53pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad Helly, I said Bedhoyo and Serimpi were also created during the colonial period!
July 8 at 12:54pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad
http://marisma.multiply.com/ :
Walaupun terdapat perbezaan yang spesifik di antara kumpulan sub-etnik Melayu ini, mereka menunjukkan hubungan yang rapat di antara satu sama lain dan juga kepada populasi lain di Asia. Melayu Banjar, Bugis dan ...See More
Walaupun terdapat perbezaan yang spesifik di antara kumpulan sub-etnik Melayu ini, mereka menunjukkan hubungan yang rapat di antara satu sama lain dan juga kepada populasi lain di Asia. Melayu Banjar, Bugis dan ...See More
July 8 at 1:03pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad
http://serimau.blogspot.com/ :
Sejarah orang Melayu Rao@Rawa bermula di Kecamatan (Daerah Kecil) Rao Mapat Tunggul, di dalam Kabupaten (Daerah) Pasaman, Propinsi (Negeri) Sumatera Barat, Indonesia. Duduk di sebelah utaranya pula, bermastautin...See More
Sejarah orang Melayu Rao@Rawa bermula di Kecamatan (Daerah Kecil) Rao Mapat Tunggul, di dalam Kabupaten (Daerah) Pasaman, Propinsi (Negeri) Sumatera Barat, Indonesia. Duduk di sebelah utaranya pula, bermastautin...See More
July 8 at 1:18pm · ·
Ruzy Hashim Interesting paper.
July 8 at 2:34pm · ·
Nor Faridah Abdul Manaf thks for notes on Rawa.Yang I suka 2 putra tu sudah so global..sorang ke China, sorang ke Rom.
But need to know about Bugis in Pahang ni.Mana datangnya.Yang kita tau Bugis ramai di Johor.Najib claims he's a Bugis.I rasa dia Rawa. :))
But need to know about Bugis in Pahang ni.Mana datangnya.Yang kita tau Bugis ramai di Johor.Najib claims he's a Bugis.I rasa dia Rawa. :))
July 8 at 3:08pm · ·
Helly Minarti
well, I must have misunderstood your Melayu! (the last sentence) or it is because I did not read the paper in whole? (only on this page, there is no link to the rest). But playing a devil advocate (hiha, if you don't mind): we can not be su...See More
July 8 at 4:26pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad Ruzy, not yet a paper, just some idea.
July 8 at 4:36pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad Darling Faridah, you ni tak baca sejarah Melayu ke? Raja Pahang, Selangor dan Johor semuanya Bugis. Rawa tu datang kemudian!
July 8 at 4:37pm · ·
Suhaimi Sulaiman im quite interested in gamelan trg.very soothing.
July 8 at 4:37pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad Don't care about Najib and his claim that he keturunan raja bugis
July 8 at 4:38pm · ·
Helly Minarti yes, ideas - somewhere to start! have fun: trudging and treading on the historical path........
July 8 at 4:38pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad Helly, Bedhaya -Serimpi is definately created earlier than 1800s, read about it before, somewhere, should check with Mas Adji. Darlink to know your Javanese work you have to read Javanese, nor Raffles! You can start with Raffles but go beyond that if you you looking from post-colonial perspective
July 8 at 4:41pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad Che Mie, Trengganu gamelan has interesting history, especially the dance theatre works, mostly dah hilang. I like the gamelan work with singing, also mostly dah hilang, they have abandoned many important works, I hope kumpulan Suktra could be revived! Wonder what Yayasan Nur Zahirah is doing? Perhaps not on gamelan!
July 8 at 4:45pm · ·
Helly Minarti
well, like you i have to start somewhere :-) I came across quotes on Serat Wedhataya by Mangkunegara VII quoted by Western scholars here and there. Yes, looking further (if anything survives!!). archive is the Third World problem, and Indon...See More
July 8 at 4:49pm · ·
Helly Minarti ps. (promise, the last entry). ugh, MaS Adji (not Mad). typo typo - maaf banget!!!! (how do you say it in Javanese? pangapunten?)
July 8 at 5:01pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad
in javanese hehehehe. Mas Adji once told me to learn Javanese, the key to the Javanese culture, but I am not young anymore. So for now I could just go back and learn Jawi script, where I used to read properly. Malau dengan Dr.Gallop di SEA ...See More
July 8 at 5:11pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad another place would be Paris and Germany!
July 8 at 5:12pm · ·
Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais I'm afraid I am only sure about what I don't know in Serimpi and Bedhoyo matters which are mentioned in old malay litterature as "surimpi" and "bidaya"
July 8 at 11:51pm · ·
Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais About Rawa pronounced in minang malay as Rao one should also read "Tuanku Rao" by Parlindungan Siregar ! Controversial but exciting !
July 8 at 11:54pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad wow mas adji, where can I find that malay literature surimpi and bidaya? wow where to get that book "Tuanku Rao"?
July 12 at 9:26pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad thanks so much, mas adji always have something hidden to show us
July 12 at 9:26pm · ·
Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais "Tuanku Rao" adalah buku terbitan tahun 70an dan pernah dilarang di Indonesia ! Pasti perpustakaan yang besar di Malaysia punya buku ini !
July 12 at 11:40pm · ·
Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais Buku Hikayat Hang Tuah dan Sejarah Melayu pasti sudah di "digitalised" di Malaysia . Jadi carilah kata "surimpi" dan "bidaya" dalam terbitan "digital" kedua karya tersebut !
July 12 at 11:43pm · ·
Soedarmadji Jean Henry Damais Yang pertama menyebut masalah ini adalah Overbeck dalam majalah "Djawa" dalam tulisan berjudul " Java in Maleische litteratuur" Maaf dalam bahasa belanda ! Jadi disamping bahasa jawa juga harus belajar bahasa belanda ! Selamat meneliti !
July 12 at 11:50pm · ·
Ahmad Suryavarman Khi
abg Zubin yang saya tahu Gamelan Jawa yang dibawa ke Istana Pahang awal abad 20, di Johor ramai kumpulan Gamelan dan mereka tetap cakap sebagai Gamelan Jawa.
Gamelan Jawa juga sudah diperkenal di amerika tahun 1893 pada acara
"World's Columb...See More
Gamelan Jawa juga sudah diperkenal di amerika tahun 1893 pada acara
"World's Columb...See More
July 22 at 10:45pm · ·
Ahmad Suryavarman Khi Pebruari 2009 Prof. Dr. Rahayu Supanggah Rektor ISI Solo memberikan pelatihan Gamelan di Akademi Seni dan Warisan Malaysia (ASWARA),
so aneh bukan jika cakap sebagai gamelan Melayu yang kini masih ramai import dari Solo???
so aneh bukan jika cakap sebagai gamelan Melayu yang kini masih ramai import dari Solo???
July 22 at 11:16pm · ·
Ahmad Suryavarman Khi
Abg Zubin : Awal abad 17 pada masa Sultan AgungHanyokrowati Raja Besar Matarampon sudah berkreasi Tarian Bedhaya: malah gending pengiring tarian Sakral ini dipercaya diciptakan oleh Sultan Agung:
tahun 1977 Gending Jawa Puspawarna salah sat...See More
tahun 1977 Gending Jawa Puspawarna salah sat...See More
July 22 at 11:34pm · ·
Zubin Mohamad Di Malaysia ada perpustakaan yang besar, yang dindingnya bermotif songket dibuat dari jubin toilet, di dalamnya kurang pasti Hang Tuah Digital, tapi baru2 ini, mereka membuat pameran tulisan tangan hikayat hang tuah yang bakal mendapat pengiktirafan dari UNESCO untuk karya agung dunia.
15 minutes ago · ·
Zubin Mohamad
Mas Ahmad, saya yang pertama mengusahakan membawa Pak Rahayu Supanggah ke Malaysia pada tahun 2003, asalnya untuk menjadi komposer kepada proposal saya "Festival Gong" di Istana Budaya, dan saya sebagai artistik direktor, tetapi apabila pro...See More
3 minutes ago · ·
Kertas ini merupakan sebuah himpunan tentang pemikiran dan pencarian hasil dari perbincangan tentang Gamelan Melayu antara saya dan Che Gu Nik Mustapha, ASWARA. Perbincangan bermula dengan bicara tentang buku Gamelan Pahang yang sedang ingin disiapkan oleh pihak Muzium Pahang. Che Gu Nik Mustapha atau lebih dikenali dengan nama Pak Nik adalah orang lama gamelan di Kementerian Kebudayaan (yang lain2 tu tergantung zaman bila, kerana ianya berubah-ubah campurannya, dari belia dan sukan, kepada pelancungan, warisan, kemudiannya informasi, kommunikasi dll), yang dulunya bertugas di Kompleks Budaya Negara yang lebih dikenali sebagai KBN di tahun2 1970an. Saya hanya mempersoalkan apakah bezanya di antara gamelan Jawa, Bali dengan gamelan Melayu?. Apa yang membuatkan gamelan Melayu menjadi istimewa atau mempunyai identiti yang tersendiri?. Sejak bilakah gamelan tersebut yang dulunya dibina oleh raja-raja bugis menjadi Melayu atau digelar Melayu?. Pada saya sendiri, saya memperkatakan yang pabila kita membicarakan tentang kesenian dan kebudayaan klasik, tidak dapat tidak kita harus membicarakan tentang kesultanan, walaupun gamelan dipraktikan dan disebarkan serta digalakkan oleh kegiatan folk dari kalangan rakyat. Oleh itu ianya harus dimulakan dari Perang Bugis Makasar di Sulawesi sewaktu Belanda mulai masuk menjajah di Maluku dan Sulawesi. Seterusnya perjalanan pelarian raja-raja dan putera-putera Bugis menyelusuri pesisir Pulau Bali dan Jawa untuk menyelamatkan diri dari ditangkap Belanda. Tidak dapat tidak perjalanan ini harus didekati dengan perbincangan tentang kegiatan pelayaran dan perlanunan, seperti yang disebut pihak penjajah. Begitu juga dengan perbincangan tentang hubungan kekeluargaan di kalangan kesultanan di seluruh nusantara yang sememangnya mempunyai hubungan samada melalui perkahwinan atau kekuasaan, agama serta perdagangan. Keeratan hubungan ini terjadi akan karena satu rasa silatul-rahim dan kesatuan ummah yang dijalin dari kepercayaan agama Islam. Tarian Gamelan Melayu itu sebenarnya adalah sebuah symbol kesenian Melayu Islam. Mungkin ini juga ada hubungan kaitnya dengan kegiatan keagamaan dan kesusasteraan Raja Ali Haji di Riau. Jelas sekali Tarian Gamelan Melayu, atau Joget Gamelan atau Joget Pahang yang sebenarnya adalah sebuah kegiatan Anti-Kolonial, yang mungkin ada hubungan dengan tarian Bedhoyo dan Serimpi di Jawa Tengah.
Zubin Mohamad I am still gathering info, but pls give your feed back, thx